Cheats/ Is it a cheat or just something you didn't know about? [Archive]

ScouseKrautFrau

10-09-2007, 02:31

OK over the past number of months there have been many discussions re cheats
Ive read many on other forums
Heard witch hunts
I think we know that NO anti cheat program including DMW is infallible

So what do we do?

In fact what defines a "Cheat"

verb 1 act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.
if someone has information on how to set up their PC better than you , this could be seen as a cheat?????????[/I]

Answers please.........

Hints and Tips on how to play

Many of us, long ago, (Some of us) where new to MOHAA.........
When we saw someone (If in fact we ever did see them................) on a roof etc......... We thought how do you get there?
How does he do that? Etc
Etc
There was a thread still is on the Forum about Cheats (See link below)
http://www.bk-clan.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=584

I thought I would start a thread for players to post and explain certain things about? Maps? Weapons? Skins? settings? That can "Cheat free? be applied, maybe tweaks to settings
Please feel free to post here.........
ask questions......
maybe someone can tell you?

MyLittlepony

10-09-2007, 19:59

cheating is as said anthing that gives u an unfair advantage

and as said all anti cheats r usless same with screenshots

yet there r things in the game some people dont no about and others do which could b seen as cheats with in the game , people in my leage sometimes redo all the configs to get the best there can be (with in the leage rules )
and thers nuthin u can really do to stop it

Even some small things like the comand (Fps 1) can be used unfairly
only things i use (comands) is

Cg_smoothclients 1
seta s_ambientvolume 0
force modals
comp_maxfps 9999

but as said i could reddo my config and probly be able to kill a bit more but i dont feel i need to so

aboveandbeyond

10-09-2007, 22:40

at the end of the day its only a game and if you cheat you are only cheating your self .
i my self am not the best player but i just get on with it and have a bit of fun . and take the pi-s out of my little sweet pea gay james lol love you lots

Crimson_Pirate

29-09-2007, 20:31

verb 1) act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

How does the the above line have any connection with the lower line......
it is niether dishonest or unfair as almost all pc's capable of playing MOH would have to be reasonably high spec anyway

[ if someone has information on how to set up their PC better than you , this could be seen as a cheat?
did you mean "COULD THIS BE SEEN AS A CHEAT??"

not too sure where this one's going????

Smokinggussie

30-09-2007, 04:09

Cheating means a different thing to different people. Where is this going I hear you say??

Well in my book, cheating is more of a blatant thing, for example when someone sharks or clearly is harder to kill than can be acceptable. I care not for the spec of a pc - if that is an advantage thats part of the game. I know that my spec is somewhat below par and I do suffer lag. I can improve it by having a better video card - my choice.
I dislike blatant and deliberate cheating - I think the nearest I have got to cheating is when I come into a game and before I choose weapons etc, I am seeing one of the players. When I start I do sometimes go looking for that person. That is the worst I do - how many of us have done that?

I feel that each time someone is considered to be cheating, it should be investigated as such. There cannot be a set way of doing this - each one will be different. We would need to be sure of the facts and then deal accordingly. We should all trust the Administrators to deal with the issues in a right and proper way.

Lastly, dont forget that it is only a game and those that cheat are only cheating themselves. If we catch 'em at it, get rid of them. OItherwise enjoy the game as it should be enjoyed.

Smokinggussie

James - Merciless

30-09-2007, 21:07

Crimson_Pirate

30-09-2007, 22:03

I couldn't agree more with Gus's comments
and yes as Angie so often says it is only a game and should be played in the gaming spirit
But..
We have stats that reflects people's game play and in a sense this is a competition,
A competition that can be won or lost due to game cheaters and hackers

I do not suggest for one minute that anyone is cheating and as we probably all agree that "Danny" is one of the best players we have, and seems to always have a really good game here and there,

as do we all sometimes.

I can here Angie even now saying "cor that's a dodgy score Pinky 30-7".
And ,,,I can be heard proclaiming on occasion hey NO WAY when i die after being shot through a wall and this banter has now become part of what BK is all about

GOOD FUN...

We can only do what we can do to stop people cheating, use our eyes and ears
and whatever resourses (software) to keep the BK servers Clean

Marc does a good job of testing people we suspect as was proven last night when we both saw a new player sharking in a place on the map that is inaccessable to game play
but unfortunatly maybe Marc was too late to get the IP.

We seem to have more than our fair share of idiots trying to cheat on BK
maybe we are too easy going i don't know,

we also seem to have a lot of people queueing up to play or be members of BK
you only have to look at the forum to see,
which proves that the BK servers are some of the best on the curcuit

Soap box broken again
PS
Angie especially,,,,,and others do a great job holding BK together
and we all love you for it Angie, you are one of the reasons most of us have stayed with BK

without you most of us would be lost ar-souls...lol

Keep up the good work

Crimson Pirate

MyLittlepony

01-10-2007, 16:55

what about glitching or self specing do u see that as a cheat or not .....
do u even no what it is ?

Smokinggussie

02-10-2007, 01:38

Ok clever dick, what the devil is that?????????

One confused old fart here

Smokinggussie

aboveandbeyond

02-10-2007, 02:21

i second that guss old fart here LOL

Terrified

02-10-2007, 21:15

oh ollocks is this still going on :(

SAS_Elite-UK_Sniper

03-10-2007, 03:43

"self specing" is when ya put your glasses on yourself

MyLittlepony

03-10-2007, 17:23

might b easyer if i was to show u , than try to explain , if i get a chance ill pop on lol

kerberos

04-10-2007, 01:07

verb 1) act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

I agree. In my opinion, if a player has deliberately installed enhancements to their client side installation with the sole purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over others then they should be deemed a cheat and action taken.

After saying that though you have to define what an unfair advantage is. If a player is deemed to be sharking, or using wall hacks or OpenGL hacks then that, to me, is out and out cheating. Telescopic sights on the M1 Garand, to me, is cheating (unless mods like that are enforced server-side - therefore everyone else has got them as well.) On the other hand, if a player chooses to use "Forced Skins" then that to me isn't cheating - it's a readily available option within the game - players have a choice to switch this on or off. Similarily, the option to set FPS settings to take advantage of a more powerful Video card, to me, also isn't cheating - it's a config readily available.

The grey areas are the problem ones - if an experienced player knows how to get onto "inaccessible" roofs (Brest, Southern France) or rooms (Berlin), then is that a cheat? And similarily, the nade glitch with the hotel door in Crossroads? Personally, I don't think so - that to me is taking advantage of map glitches which are there for everyone to exploit.

Clipping I'm not sure about - although still classed as a glitch and readily available to everyone - I think it gives too much advantage to more experienced players and the "invisibility" could be classed as borderline cheating - difficult one.

Anyway - my 2p worth.

ScouseKrautFrau

04-10-2007, 02:05

Clipping I'm not sure about - although still classed as a glitch and readily available to everyone - I think it gives too much advantage to more experienced players and the "invisibility" could be classed as borderline cheating - difficult one.

QUOTE]

Whats that?
Half of what you lot are talking about ...

MyLittlepony "what about glitching or self specing do u see that as a cheat or not .....
do u even no what it is ? .....................seta s_ambientvolume 0 ..........comp_maxfps 9999 ......."

IVE GOT NO IDEA!
Tell me
Tell us all!
PLEASE!!!!!!!![QUOTE=SAS_Elite-UK_Sniper;3660]"self specing" is when ya put your glasses on yourself
LMAO @Neil :)

And Awwww. Pinky
Crimson Pirate
"Angie especially,,,,,and others do a great job holding BK together
and we all love you for it Angie, you are one of the reasons most of us have stayed with BK

without you most of us would be lost ar-souls...lol

Keep up the good work"

THank you xx

MyLittlepony

04-10-2007, 16:09

ill set some time tonite aside , ill talk to u on msn and show u anything u want to know angie

and any1 else who wants to have ago as well

ScouseKrautFrau

05-10-2007, 02:15

I spent an informative hour or so with My Fluffy Pink Tail :P
zzzzzzzzz
peering around walls............
bending round corners
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looking at glitches in maps
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More to follow..........
Tho I have to say I think a thread
with hints and tips is a great Idea

Watch this space............

MyLittlepony

05-10-2007, 17:00

ill try and anwser anything as best i can though it might not be understandable though text lol

Clipping - clipping is where in which there are parts of a map where u can see a person but they can not see you . Though you can be shot if they no you are there , or they just get lucky .

Self Specing - This has nuthin to do with spectator , but can be very use full to some one can do it well . It is a technique in which you place you self crouched on any left turn , and you lean to the left and turn you gun to the right so that you can see around the turn / object .

Force models - In mulitplayer menu there is a tick box for this , it allows you to see all players as the skins you use , if u change you skins to bright skins it might help you spot people better .

Commands - These commands with help with something's in game , like frame rate , and cinamatics . Open the console ( `) and type the command bold part .

Fps 1 - Slows you frames per second , if below 30 you will have fps lag

com_maxfps 9999 - will increase the max amout of fps default is 100 , better fps = smoother game

seta cg_smoothclients 1 - turns smoothclients of which trys to counter any lag , also means u can shoot at the target not around ,good for snipers .

seta s_ambientvolume 0 - Does same as cinermatic takes barkground sound away (only need to use once not like cinermatic over and over again )

cl_maxpackets 100 - helps with ping / internet

When i get time ill make some screens shot to go with clipping / sefl speccing
Hope this helps , plz add to this and ask anything that comes to mine .

::kt::

05-10-2007, 17:11

Just thought I'd add my tuppence worth into this one from a non member perspective :grin:

All the stock maps that come with the game have clipping points and other exploits such as walls that are not actually solid. A clipping point is a part of a map which is limited in being able to view it only within a certain angle eg. 90 degrees. I won't go into exact details per map for obvious reasons but if any of your senior members want to know more then I will happily share the information. Most clans I know use these to there advantage having suffered defeat from unexplained deaths behind walls/doors and 'invisible' players at the hands of other clans who know and train around exploits. It's a bit of a grey area for most people, but it happens all the time whether we like it or not and that includes playng matches in leagues. It does give experienced players an advantage in some respects because they know how to take advantage over those who don't know about them. My own personal opinion of it all is that bugs in maps are just part of the game. It is good to be aware of them, but I personally don't feel the need to use that sort of stuff as every player is of differing abilities and it makes for a more balanced game. I find it much more fun and satisfying to sneak up behind someone and give them a good bashing on the noggin instead!

infiltrator

13-10-2007, 01:19

Ban All Cheats!!!!

LittleDragon

08-03-2008, 04:02

Lol been playing this game since it hit the shops and didn't know any of this, i struggle to run custom maps never mind messing with FPS, clips or speccy. Why don't folk just play the game the way it was inteneded to be played.

only mod i have is a red dot instead of a x hair!

Celticsun

11-03-2008, 23:47

Amen, what LD said!

All of the above that you guys have mentioned are more down to experience of the game rather than advantages to the point of being 'cheats'

As far as adding little tweaks like smooth clients and maxpackets they really don't have much bearing on a player it isn't gonna make you invincible or generally 'better' just might make your game play smoother at your end making you think your doing better.

However I will say this, when you start messing with 'commands' and you visit other servers expect any mod that dumpusers you to start looking deeper into what you may have running so don't throw a hissy fit when your screenied etc.

TTowell

12-03-2008, 02:10

I understand cheating as being someone who uses a software progam or add on, to circumnavigate the the game or the anti-cheat software that the server runs. ie aimbots or sharking etc. I am afraid i am not clever enough to cheat, (not clever enough to win either !!) and it never even enters my mind to even try to.
The people who do cheat on the BK servers are people who are strangers to most of us and do not know how we play (for FUN mostly) and don't last too long as our trusty admin see to that. I abhore cheating of any kind and feel that the way your PC is set up (key binds, max fps etc) or how good a PC spec you actually have isn't , as we all have the option to set up and upgrade iour PC's and games if we choose to (or not, Gussie).
I do play to win and i can be very competitive, but if i don't win (as usual) i don't go in a huff or whinge about it (not strictly true as i go in a huff with and whinge to myself about it), but still have to laugh about it afterwards (again, no option when i am rubbish). The reason i play on the BK servers is that i think of the majority of the people who get on as my friends, and cheating would be betraying that friendship. It aint gonna happen.
Last but not least, there was a message on the old Pure server that said "There is always somone better than you, so don't accuse people of cheating unless you can prove it" or something along that line. Innocent until proven guilty, so i think that we have just got to get on with the fun and leave the cheating to those individuals who don't have any morals (or friends).

Smokinggussie

12-03-2008, 03:13

I do have one thing to add that has become more apparent in the last six months, well to me anyway. There have been times when I seem to be less easy to kill or even seem to be more accurate than normal. It is bizarre as it is as if the server for a while favours me and 'helps' me. I know I do not have any mods whatsoever, I even scorn those who use the mod to make everyone else appear white (note that this is perfectly legal but I choose not to) but nevertheless I seem to do better for a while.
We occasionally have the odd outburst of 'No way' or similar and I do wonder if the cause of this is the server and not an individual. Repeated doubts of course must be investigated but otherwise I do wonder if the matter is out of our hands sometimes. Having spoken to several people over this, I have not had one person disagree with what I have said - ie that sometimes they have felt invincible for a while in a game.
Heyho, if anyone can make sense of that, please tell me!!

Smokinggussie

Terrified

13-03-2008, 19:40